and it was -- he was listed in a book of great leaders of education. he wrote incredible theses, if that's such a word, with just wonderful observations, and one of them, he was a teacher, and he also taught at a reformatory. he taught english to juvenile delinquents. and i could never read that piece until i got much older and had this certain experience. then i was able to read it. and that was me. in other words, there is so much in the memory or the dna, because i never knew him, but at 16, i had discovered ipson and shakespeare, and when i finally read my father's theses, it was how to teach prisoners and delinquents through ipson and shakespeare, you know? >> had you been able to find out a lot about him and his character and his life? >> not really. although very mystical things happen. you know, i was doing a concert. i can't remember when, several years ago. and i was with my two girlfriends one night at my house, and they were talking about their fathers. and i couldn't relate to them because they had the experience of having a father. i came